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16 febbraio 2005



If you try to achieve the gol of a robust cathegorization in presence of large number of users you constantly have problems, and the risk of failure is high. Even if the cathegorization is imposed, sure when it's generated free by everyone.

Downsizing from the whole internet to small words, to a group of friends and collegues, to the personal knowledge space, you probably find the proper dimension where a dynamic classification makes sense to everybody (or it's easy to check and solve misunderstanding).

I know, this is not the dream all the bloggers have in mind. Depend on what you want, if dreaming or something working.


Hei Gino!
Thx for your comment.
Obviously I'm thinking about something working. Don't you?
Just I don't understand why you say "the risk of failure is high".
Tagging is a process "client side". There is no failure risk just different approaches, different views.
Surely, in this way is possible that we'll have 1.000 different tags "opinion_something" with many different meanings; but I consider it positive because it will give everybody a wide spectrum to choose from.
Just adopting an extra meta tag such as "opinionradar", will help users to organize better the RSS flows.
Also filtering, mixing and editing rss feeds it will become technically easier.
Ciao :)


Marco, thank you for your answer.

Honestly, I'm costantly in trouble since I feel the urgence of having working solutions, and in the same time the importance of the utopia.

But, in your words, I read this: Social networks, blogosphere-wide debate, whole population collaboration are moving our generally deterministic/scientific/computed approach to the one where solutions are preferred following a collective feeling, when no scientific demonstration is already available, and ever leaving space to other solutions, ready to change preference when evidence rises

So, Is Technorati 'opinionradar' tag a partial solution ? That's not the point. Common feeling is telling it can be of some help, people may find this interesting to experiment, and no other solution is blocked with this choice: so let's go on! Blogosphere says.


You get it :)


Marco, I strongly endorse your idea, and I'd give some opinions about categorization issues: tags (a kind of "metadata") permits to connect pieces of information. Metadata creation once was domain of professionals (cataloger or bibilioteconomists), then of authorer (after SGML, WWW e Dublin Core).
Both approaches have strengths and weaknesses, but I perceive "scalability" as the most problematic.
How can the blogosphere cope with the unstoppable growing of documents all over the Internet?
Folksonomies, is the term to define the last approach to the categorization issue: distributed metadata, metadata for the masses, metadata for dummies.
But tags can suffer another issue: non standardization.
Look at the Technorati definition for tags: "Bloggers categorize their posts, photos, and links with any tag that makes sense."
This open the way to a plethora of different tags, that can be difficult to classify.
A standard hierarchical approach is needed, and I hope Technorati or somebody else is working on it: the process can't be completely client-side, it should be manage by a server-side strong effort and commitment.
Some days ago, I talked about this in my blog --> http://connexioni.blogspot.com/2005/02/tendenze-tagging-folksonomies-semantic.html


Hey to all.
I've developed more than an year ago a toolbar for lawyers. It has simply links to laws, cases an so on, but it also has a function called: tagging.
In few words the idea is simple: every reader can tag everything he is reading on the web.
Clicking on "tag" the reader can take note of the url, spidering some datas from linked url, and adding it's owns tags.
Sorry, the toolbar is in italian, but in last few weeks i've made other expenses to let the toolbar grow in english.
There are many applications.
For example:
1) I tag a page: other users can read my tag and post to my tags, as a forum
2) I put all web pages on a search engine: i can look for my datas or datas of all users
3) I can put in my sites all web pages tagged by me (and i do it on www.civile.it).
In next weeks i'll work again on it on english version, please note, italian readers, there's a guide on www.iusvision.com/appunti and a working solution on www.iusvision.com/tagging . The toolbar is available on www.iusondemand.com/toolbar/toolbarbase.php
If you find it useful, I'm happy to listen to your ideas.


Nice site ;)


Thanks for sharing

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